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Jan 20 2010

Should I stay or should I go?

tjv2Today, January 20th: Flag turned from RED into ORANGE, which means 75% of chance they finally go in the next 48 hours, after a (too) long wait… Skippers and their “routers” will decide, if the flag is finally set to GREEN or not… but, soon, they will ROCK YOU!

The world of “sailing” is full of legends: sailors, famous races, or fantastic boats.

SL Sailing often renders homage to these legends, whether by the name of some places, some buildings, the organization of events close to reality, and the construction of boats that are superb replicas of legends or more modern racing boats.. The examples are countless.

No doubt that the America’s Cup falls into this category, as Sir Peter Blake to name someone that you all know. Very soon, these two legends will be meeting again on SL, Blake Sea welcoming the ACA-SL Cup.

Hazard of the weather and calendar, we ‘ll get 2 major events simultaneously: as the same time as 2 exceptional boats will fight for the  America’s Cup in Valencia, it is likely that the coming days could provide also another exploit, and again, Sir Peter Blake is not a stranger there, since he is one of the few heroes in this story. (video here) …

I speak here of the Jules Verne Trophy, which goes into the racing legend, just like the America’s Cup and the Louis Vuitton Cup, the Chicago-Mackinac, Key West week, Bermuda Race, the week of Antigua, Route du Rhum, the Vendee Globe, Transat Jacques Vabre, the Fastnet, Cowes Week, the Gotland Runt, the Velux 5 Oceans, Kiel Week, Copa del Rey, the Voiles de Saint-Tropez , The Giraglia, the Auckland-Suva, Osaka- Melbourne, Sydney Hobart, the Transpac, the Newport-Ensenada, the Volvo-Ocean …and much more…. but also all the Olympic races and various record attempts.

Today, January 20, 2010, 2 monsters are on the starting blocks for an exceptional record attempt. Peter Blake held this record in 1995 with Enza. For sure, he will keep en eyes on those 2 events: an eye on America’s Cup, another on the Jules Verne Trophy.

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The idea is very simple, and original:  The name of the award is a reference to the Jules Verne novel Around the World in Eighty Days where Phileas Fogg went around the globe in 79 days 6 hours 15 minutes and 56 seconds. The current holder is Orange II skippered by Bruno Peyron in 50 days 16 hours 20 minutes and 4 seconds (Ouch!).

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So far, only 6 legendary sailors succeed in this record attempt, after 21 trials (Fossett never held this record with Cheyenne):

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It will be a relentless race against the clock. It could also be an incredible 1 vs 1 race around the world.
Both boats have already smashed many records, recognized by ISAF and the WSSRC, and unofficially, have already smashed the speed record of 51 knots established by the “Hydroptere” with one main difference: they did it somewhere in the middle of Atlantic north…

It is far from SL, maybe … but are you sure of that?

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You can read more here :

and you can even enter this challenge here: http://www.virtualregatta.com/index_julesverne.php

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Aug 24 2009

Pre-Townhall Meeting Transcript

Based on conversations that took place on the SL Sailing Association IM channel the night before the scheduled Townhall Meeting it seemed to me that we could save some valuable time at the Townhall Meeting by addressing some issues that were being asked on the channel. I decided to hold a Pre-Townhall Meeting the next morning at 6AM prior to the 8AM Townhall meeting. It was announced by SLSA notice. Here is a transcript of that meeting.

The Actual Townhall Meeting (8AM) transcript is here

Transcript of Pre-Townhall Meeting Meeting
Held at 6AM Sunday August 23
Observation Platform
Blake Sea – Haggarty


[6:08]  MarkTwain White: ok well i had no idea how many would be here for this meeting. So lets just get to it. The purpose of this meeting is to speak to any Code of Conduct questions….
[6:09]  MarkTwain White: we are a small group so we probably dont need moderation but if it gets too crowded i might as Nber to cue up questions
[6:09]  Nber Medici: :( that means I have to be awake… but I’ll do it
[6:09]  MarkTwain White: ok lets begin. I am assuming anyone asking questions will have already read the proposed Code of Conduct
[6:09]  MarkTwain White: any questons?
[6:09]  Jane Fossett: Thank you for having the pre-meeting. even if no one came it helps to hold it.
[6:09]  MarkTwain White: i agree jane
[6:10]  MarkTwain White: are there any questions?
[6:10]  Ceorl Onlyone: well it was pretty clear and straightforward to me
[6:10]  Chaos Mandelbrot: I think the code of conduct is an extremely well done document.
[6:10]  MarkTwain White: what will be intersting
[6:11]  Ceorl Onlyone: I guess a question of exactly who and how many get those eject powers
[6:11]  MarkTwain White: is to see where misinformed questions come from on the forum, i bet it wont be from those here
[6:11]  Ceorl Onlyone: isnt that one of the controversies?
[6:11]  Francois Jacques: I assumee all club RDs and SLCG s are authorized by the code to act?
[6:11]  Jane Fossett: <–agrees with ceorl
[6:11]  MarkTwain White: at the moment the group that has authority to act on the code are…
[6:11]  Ceorl Onlyone: but is it only blake adjacent clubs?
[6:12]  MarkTwain White: the 18 members of the Events group in Blake Sea Group….
[6:12]  MarkTwain White: which were all appointed by the clubs as you recall…
[6:12]  Jane Fossett: I tried to eject Kentrock Mesmer yesterday under Blake Sea Group. He didnt even feel a tickle
[6:12]  MarkTwain White: when the CofC is published we will be adjusting the members of that subgroup….
[6:12]  Francois Jacques: yes,but we were severely limited in designating people
[6:13]  Francois Jacques: as you recall
[6:13]  MarkTwain White: i would like to get some members of the SLCG in there as well..
[6:13]  MarkTwain White: i think the SLCG does a great job..
[6:13]  MarkTwain White: and is an asset to SL Sailing…
[6:13]  Francois Jacques: we need all RDs to be so empowered
[6:13]  MarkTwain White: the issue is the number of EVENTS people in the group..
[6:14]  Francois Jacques: mmmmm
[6:14]  Jane Fossett: NYC has 30 RDs
[6:14]  MarkTwain White: since EVENT people have powers the Lindens want that to be a tight group well vetted…..
[6:14]  MarkTwain White: and we cannot have 30 plus people…
[6:14]  Francois Jacques: it is a grossly foreshortened group
[6:14]  MarkTwain White: clubs might need to find a way to not need 30 RDs…
[6:14]  Francois Jacques: why not?
[6:15]  Francois Jacques: these are trusted mature sailors?
[6:15]  MarkTwain White: because EVENTS people are empowered by the Lindens with powers not available to all residents….
[6:15]  Francois Jacques: understood
[6:15]  MarkTwain White: and the Lindens want those people to be a reasonable sized group..
[6:15]  Chaos Mandelbrot: This I think, is the crux of the discussion, it is not the code of conduct per se, it is how USS decides who has the power (whatever that power is)
[6:15]  MarkTwain White: but ask Jack
[6:15]  Francois Jacques: think of RDs running races
[6:16]  MarkTwain White: I would ask Jack about the numbers
[6:16]  Ceorl Onlyone: well agreed that they have to be vetted, but does the membership have to be limited to USS, or to any qualifying YC?
[6:16]  Ceorl Onlyone: plus the CG
[6:16]  MarkTwain White: no they do not Ceorl…
[6:16]  Jane Fossett: Mark, I cant eject people
[6:16]  Francois Jacques: who are powerless to control their environs
[6:16]  Ceorl Onlyone: thought the CG sets a precedent of other SL™ policing organizations
[6:16]  MarkTwain White: the USS owners have negotiated the deal for the existance of the Blake Sea…
[6:17]  MarkTwain White: but conduct and event execution is not limited to only USS residents
[6:17]  MarkTwain White: thus the issue
[6:17]  MarkTwain White: how many event people
[6:17]  Jane Fossett: exactly
[6:17]  MarkTwain White: at present only three clubs are running races in the Blake Sea..
[6:17]  Jane Fossett: and how it is decided
[6:17]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes it would be good to get a firm number then, before thinking of from where they are selected, like 10, 30, 100 in total
[6:17]  MarkTwain White: because of the early agreement that those clubs would control three lines in the blake sea
[6:17]  Nber Medici: Four with Waypoint I think right?
[6:17]  MarkTwain White: yes four nber
[6:18]  MarkTwain White: like i said, the question of how many can be in the EVENTS group is really a Jack Linden call
[6:18]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes those clubs are fairly well pre-vetted
[6:18]  Yuu Nakamichi: Five with Les Glenans
[6:18]  MarkTwain White: but Les Glenans dont hold races i think
[6:18]  Yuu Nakamichi: they do.
[6:18]  Ceorl Onlyone: oh schiffsrattens?
[6:18]  MarkTwain White: also special events like the Fizz Cup have special needs…
[6:18]  Jane Fossett: six with ship rats, given the option they should have in Arabian
[6:19]  MarkTwain White: here is a point that Jack made to us just this AM in an email…
[6:19]  MarkTwain White: the Code of Conduct, and all these questions of how it is executed..
[6:19]  MarkTwain White: are living documents…
[6:19]  MarkTwain White: they can and likely will be changed as the need arises
[6:19]  MarkTwain White: we need to have guidelines to hang our hats on..
[6:20]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes, one learns how to effectively police over time
[6:20]  MarkTwain White: but its not canon law folks
[6:20]  Francois Jacques: all RDs should be empowered
[6:20]  Nber Medici: hehe is it cannon law?
[6:20]  Jane Fossett: having said that
[6:20]  Francois Jacques: common law
[6:20]  Jane Fossett: establishing a policy
[6:20]  MarkTwain White: Fran, make your point to jack, I am not limiting the numbers, its a Jack call
[6:20]  Jane Fossett: for how one gets those rights is key
[6:20]  Francois Jacques: I will
[6:21]  Ceorl Onlyone: I see many griping about what is really a big win for sailing, first the sharing of some rights from the Lindens, and second, the preferential status of sailing craft
[6:22]  MarkTwain White: well ceorl , from day one when Jack came to nber and me, he was interested in creating an area to enhance sailing
[6:22]  MarkTwain White: so sailing has always been the focus of the Blake Sea project
[6:22]  Julia Ceres: sailing craft have row over most other craft in rl too.. its a matter of manoverability
[6:22]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes, I know, but this reaffirms it
[6:22]  MarkTwain White: in SL i believe it is as much a matter of draw distance and skipper knowledge
[6:23]  MarkTwain White: ok….
[6:23]  Ceorl Onlyone: well yes about manuverabilty, but that is what sometimes does not give the sailing craft a right of way, so it is more preferential here
[6:23]  MarkTwain White: any quesitons about the Guidlines themselves?
[6:23]  Nber Medici: I have something I would like to point out
[6:23]  Nber Medici: it is not really a question
[6:23]  Nber Medici: In all the time that we have been running races in the Blake Sea…
[6:23]  Nber Medici: There has been ONE instance of a person being ejected
[6:23]  Nber Medici: that I know of
[6:24]  MarkTwain White: correct…
[6:24]  MarkTwain White: and thats a LOT of races
[6:24]  Nber Medici: and that was a case NOT of willful disobedience
[6:24]  MarkTwain White: it is RARE to use edit, freeze, eject…
[6:24]  Ceorl Onlyone: good point
[6:24]  MarkTwain White: BUT we need the guidelines
[6:24]  Nber Medici: but a case in which the person was AFK and did not hear the requests to move
[6:24]  Nber Medici: absolutely Mark
[6:24]  Nber Medici: I’m just trying to put this in context
[6:24]  Jane Fossett: Taku had a case we posted where the person should have been ejected; we didnt
[6:25]  Nber Medici: We need to ask Jack about Jane’s question that she could not eject when she tried
[6:25]  MarkTwain White: you tried to eject and it did not work?
[6:25]  Jane Fossett: and kentrock really wanted to be ejected
[6:25]  MarkTwain White: oh
[6:25]  Julia Ceres: lol
[6:25]  MarkTwain White: that
[6:25]  Nber Medici: HEHE
[6:26]  MarkTwain White: moving along
[6:26]  MarkTwain White: was that a joke
[6:26]  Chaos Mandelbrot: I have a question
[6:26]  MarkTwain White: hold one chaos
[6:26]  Nber Medici: No Mark… not a joke I believe
[6:26]  MarkTwain White: have we left a question unanswered?
[6:26]  Chaos Mandelbrot: did LL or USS put in the advertising restrictions?
[6:26]  Jane Fossett: I dont have the power in Blake Group
[6:26]  Chaos Mandelbrot: sorry
[6:27]  MarkTwain White: the advertising limitations are applicatble to all Linden land…
[6:27]  MarkTwain White: including Blake Sea…
[6:27]  MarkTwain White: there is an important difference in the blake sea….
[6:28]  MarkTwain White: I said we HAD to permit individual boats to have advertisments on sails and hulls..
[6:28]  MarkTwain White: a common and accepted practice in SL sailing, jack agreed
[6:28]  Chaos Mandelbrot: I don’t object to them, I just noted that they seemed very detailed, this must have been a major LL problem in the past.
[6:28]  MarkTwain White: well there is one area that I did give some input on and that was the question of robo-ad vehicles
[6:29]  MarkTwain White: other questions?
[6:29]  Nber Medici: Mark?
[6:29]  MarkTwain White: yes nber
[6:29]  Ceorl Onlyone: I have to say that anything unmanned is a hazard period
[6:29]  Nber Medici: I want to follow up on Jane’s question.
[6:29]  Ceorl Onlyone: does not show up on radar
[6:29]  Nber Medici: Jane says that she does not have the power to freeze / eject
[6:29]  MarkTwain White: good point cerol, but hold
[6:30]  Nber Medici: she does have that power
[6:30]  Nber Medici: but is she saying it doesn’t work?
[6:30]  Nber Medici: and if it doesn’t then we need to find out why?
[6:30]  Nber Medici: Jane?
[6:30]  Ceorl Onlyone: well I find that ejects and bans are horrbly broken now in general
[6:30]  Jane Fossett: let me eject chaos now, or try
[6:30]  Jane Fossett: this wont hurt a bit
[6:30]  BennyThe Boozehound: hah
[6:30]  Chaos Mandelbrot: prepares for abuse
[6:30]  Nber Medici: I”ve heard THAT before
[6:31]  Fanci Beebe: lol.
[6:31]  Ceorl Onlyone: this will only hurt a lot
        [[long pause]]
[6:31]  MarkTwain White: drumming fingers
         [[more pause]]
[6:31]  Chaos Mandelbrot: superglued his ass down
[6:31]  Jane Fossett: can’t do it under estate
[6:32]  MarkTwain White: the whole platform may go!
[6:32]  Jane Fossett: haha
[6:32]  Nber Medici: no that isn’t where you do it
[6:32]  MarkTwain White: ok can we solve this later
[6:32]  Jane Fossett: fair enough
[6:32]  MarkTwain White: and not take up meeting time with it
[6:32]  MarkTwain White: ok as to cerols comment
[6:32]  Nber Medici: I just ejected him
[6:32]  MarkTwain White: about robo vehicles..
[6:33]  Nber Medici: sorry Chaos
[6:33]  MarkTwain White: that might be an issue for the coming tour boats and seaplane
[6:33]  Jane Fossett: grin
[6:33]  MarkTwain White: i had not thought of that
[6:33]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes, they annoy even me as a cruiser
[6:33]  MarkTwain White: next question?
[6:34]  Jane Fossett: there is a distinction between SLSA and USS
[6:34]  MarkTwain White: correct jane
[6:34]  Jane Fossett: you comment on ORG that sailing community can schedule events
[6:34]  Jane Fossett: implying SLSA
[6:34]  MarkTwain White: as it does in the SL sailing calendar
[6:34]  Jane Fossett: but the agreement is USS
[6:35]  Jane Fossett: etc
[6:35]  MarkTwain White: the DEAL is with the USS to have the Blake Sea…
[6:35]  MarkTwain White: but the actualy use of the blake sea is covered in the code of conduct..
[6:35]  Jane Fossett: so i am suggesting clear policy that reassures non-uss sailors they are part of the sailing community is important
[6:35]  MarkTwain White: where it clarifys the the Blake Sea exists for ALL SAILING
[6:36]  MarkTwain White: of course they are Jane
[6:36]  Jane Fossett: we just defined an area where its very unclear
[6:36]  MarkTwain White: i do not undestand
[6:37]  Jane Fossett: does Tradewinds get blake sea eject rights, can they schedule races, etc
[6:37]  MarkTwain White: Jane?
[6:37]  Jane Fossett: Triumphal
[6:37]  Jane Fossett: Boogdolt
[6:37]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes that is the nub of it Jane
[6:37]  Ceorl Onlyone: any non-USS
[6:37]  MarkTwain White: no club gets anything directly, but up to this point….
[6:38]  MarkTwain White: clubs in the USS have been asked to give us a list of 3-4 RD for EVENTS rights in Blake Sea…
[6:38]  MarkTwain White: we probably do need to revisit the question of how we populate the EVENTS role in Blake Sea Group…
[6:39]  MarkTwain White: remember we are operationing under temporary guidelines on Blake Sea members..
[6:39]  MarkTwain White: when each EVENTS member was invited to the group they were given TEMPORARY guide lines
[6:39]  MarkTwain White: now is a good time to visit the queston of who should be in that group…
[6:40]  Jane Fossett: the implied disenfranchisement is fueling a lot of the complaints some have.
[6:40]  Jane Fossett: i agree.
[6:40]  MarkTwain White: remembering that Jack cannot let that number be large…
[6:41]  MarkTwain White: each person in the EVETNS group gets powers that are akin to those in the regular scheme have to pay $5000USD for advance support
[6:41]  MarkTwain White: so Jack is not going to give them out lightly
[6:41]  MarkTwain White: again
[6:41]  MarkTwain White: Jack would need to be asked. And I can say that the likely outcome of that is that there will be some discussion.
[6:42]  MarkTwain White: some future discussion with LL on how we decide who gets those powers
[6:42]  Jane Fossett: this is where you hit a speedbump. You are discussing policies ‘for all’ but then say only ‘a couple’
[6:42]  Jane Fossett: its an issue, should be addressed early, is my point.
[6:43]  MarkTwain White: rereading where i said “a couple”
[6:43]  Jane Fossett: 2-3/ club only blake= ‘several’
[6:43]  MarkTwain White: can you show me where i said “a couple”
[6:43]  MarkTwain White: that was the orginal call to each club
[6:43]  MarkTwain White: but obviouls that grew
[6:43]  Jane Fossett: i was paraphrasing not quoting
[6:44]  MarkTwain White: are we done with this quesiton for now? Keep in mind that Jack will be the one that will make the ulitmate call on the number of EVENTS members
[6:45]  MarkTwain White: perhaps if he gives us a number, then we can have a meeting for all to discuss how we choose who gets those rights
[6:45]  Julia Ceres: the number is not as important as haveing a blake sea group member available
[6:45]  Jane Fossett: Thank you for all your work on this, Mark.
[6:45]  Nber Medici: I would like to point something out… it is not a question really.
[6:45]  Ceorl Onlyone: yes and Mark, understand that we are asking these questions because we believe they are the ones you and jack will be hit with later
[6:45]  Nber Medici: The delay in getting to THIS point has not been from Mark
[6:45]  Ceorl Onlyone: so it might not be so easy to close the question down :)
[6:46]  Nber Medici: The delay has been on the LL side… and I think it was lack of attention more than anything else
[6:46]  MarkTwain White: nber is right…
[6:46]  MarkTwain White: but to address this in a way that we might move on for now…
[6:46]  MarkTwain White: I will share this meeting chat with Jack…
[6:47]  MarkTwain White: I will tell him that the issue of EVENTS members is a imporant one….
[6:47]  Jane Fossett: take out what i said about Kentrock
[6:47]  MarkTwain White: and needs some discussion with the overall community…
[6:47]  Jane Fossett: (grin)
[6:47]  MarkTwain White: so this will continue…
[6:47]  MarkTwain White: in the meantime we have 18 EVENT members which i assume we will stay with..
[6:47]  Ceorl Onlyone: leave in what I said about ejects and bans being broken :)
[6:48]  MarkTwain White: until we can find a way to repopulate the EVENTS group
[6:48]  MarkTwain White: dont worry ceorl, nber and i love to bitch at jack about things that are broken
[6:48]  Nber Medici: HEHE
[6:48]  Nber Medici: no kidding
[6:48]  Ceorl Onlyone: :) )
[6:49]  MarkTwain White: ok so we can move to any other questions? I have 10 minutes left
[6:49]  Julia Ceres: i would think that so long as there are enough events group members covering all time zones, not all rd`s would need
        to be in the group so lang as they can call upon a menber if the need arises
[6:49]  Nber Medici: That is a good point Julia
[6:49]  MarkTwain White: a good point to mention in the later discussion…
[6:50]  MarkTwain White: after the meeting today I will speak with Jack as i said…
[6:50]  MarkTwain White: and I will intitate a discussion in the community based on what he says.
[6:50]  Chaos Mandelbrot: moves to adjourn the meeting
[6:50]  MarkTwain White: well thank you jane..
[6:51]  MarkTwain White: for suggesting this pre meeting
[6:51]  Jane Fossett: thank you.
[6:51]  Ceorl Onlyone: seconded!
[6:51]  MarkTwain White: i look forward to seeing you all at the 8am Townhall

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Aug 24 2009

Townhall Meeting Transcript

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This is an edited transcript of the Blake Sea Townhall Meeting on August 23, 2009. Since Jack Linden spoke in SL Voice, Blondin Linden transcribed what Jack said for those who could not use use SL Voice and so this transcript could at least capture the core of Jack’s comments.

I have attempted to edit out much of the extraneous comments but much still remains (I could spend a week editing this, but wanted to get it uploaded with dispatch). On several occasions I have edited out questions for which Blondin did not provide a transcript of Jack’s answer and I could not remember the answer. On several other occasions the questions remain. On occasion I have added in double square brackets [[ ]] my memory of Jack’s answers or statements when Blondin missed them.

The subject of the meeting, the Blake Sea Code of Conduct (pre-publication), can be found here.

[8:00] Jack Linden: guys, though we’ll be taking questions from you all in text, i’ll be responding in voice hopefully
[8:00] JimEd Nicholls: it is an excellent way to margenalize folks right off the bat.. smooth move
[8:00] Jack Linden: so do make sure you can hear me
[8:01] Jack Linden: we’ll give people a couple more mins to arrive then we’ll get started
[8:02] Blondin Linden: IM me your QUestions.
[8:02] Blondin Linden: THen Ill pas to Jack
[8:02] Blondin Linden: WHo will answer in VOice
[8:02] Blondin Linden: He’ll try and watch Chat
[8:02] Blondin Linden: but no promises!! ;)

[[At 8:05 Meeting gets going in earnest. Jack speaking in SL Voice with Blondin transcribing into text chat]]

[8:05] Blondin Linden: Overall Blake Sea has been pretty sucessful
[8:05] Clay Ellison: YAY! (yay!)
[8:05] Clay Ellison: ???????? Applauds! ????????
[8:05] Chad Sawson: ???????? APPLAUSE!!! ????????
[8:05] Chad Sawson: Applause!!
[8:05] Blondin Linden: Shout out to MTW and Nber and all those who have helped
[8:05] Ceorl Onlyone: Heroic Effort!
[8:05] Chad Sawson: ???????? APPLAUSE!!! ????????
[8:05] Blondin Linden: Thanks to them for taking some of the pain and we appeciate it
[8:05] Blondin Linden: This code of conduct is really one of 2 docs we want to put out
[8:06] Blondin Linden: The 2nd is a document, a guidline for partnerships with Lindens. Lots of groups have requested a partnership like Blake Sea
[8:06] Blondin Linden: SO that 2nd Doc will come out around the same time, next week or two
[8:06] Blondin Linden: Pending feedback
[8:06] Blondin Linden: 2nd Doc will include, what is Linden looking for, what do we expect, what do we not need and how does someone apply, the procees
[8:07] Blondin Linden: SOrry for misspells
[8:07] Blondin Linden: :)
[8:07] Blondin Linden: he wants to point out, its a living doc
[8:07] Blondin Linden: like the TOS and CS, they are all living, they change, and evolve
[8:07] Blondin Linden: DOn’t think the doc is set in stone
[8:08] Blondin Linden: we expect to revise it regulary
[8:08] Blondin Linden: Its not an end point
[8:08] Blondin Linden: Finally, last point
[8:08] Blondin Linden: Blake Sea is for ALL sailors
[8:08] Blondin Linden: we have partnered with USS who have been very engaged
[8:08] LauraAnne Sheridan: and aviators?
[8:08] JimEd Nicholls: what about pilots?
[8:09] Blondin Linden: WE need to recognize this in a public space
[8:09] Blondin Linden: but fundamentally for everyone
[8:09] Blondin Linden: :)
[[Jack said: Aviators can send me IMs with their suggestions about aviation areas]]
[8:09] JimEd Nicholls: i sent one
[8:09] LauraAnne Sheridan: I did
[8:09] JimEd Nicholls: so did i
[8:10] Surfwidow Beaumont: you cant rez
[8:10] GaiaGirl Pearl: yes
[8:10] Keira Linden: Object Entry as well
[8:11] Scurvy Ragu: yay
[8:11] Blondin Linden: Its difficult to manage if a whole area becomes Damaged enabled
[8:11] Blondin Linden: Lets talk more about that
[8:11] Blondin Linden: Give Jack a shout
[8:11] Blondin Linden: WE
[8:11] GaiaGirl Pearl: great TY
[8:11] Blondin Linden: re not closed to the idea
[8:11] Blondin Linden: [8:04] Ceorl Onlyone: Blondin, how many individuals will be given the additional powers to police events? and what is the vetting process to be in that number?
[8:12] Blondin Linden: There are a number of folks in that role now
[8:12] Blondin Linden: May be a bit difficult if there are 100s of people in the role
[[Jack asked how many in the EVENTS role]]
[8:12] MarkTwain White: 18
[8:12] Nber Medici: 18 Event members
[8:12] Blondin Linden: THis would be a conv between LL and the partnership group. We don’t want to be the ones to limit it
[8:13] Blondin Linden: If you come to us and say we think 30 is the right number, then thats up to you, but we dont want to see it jumping to a large number
[8:13] Blondin Linden: Think through the number of people you give that role to
[8:13] Blondin Linden: It becomes difficult to manage
[8:13] Blondin Linden: [8:04] LauraAnne Sheridan: Many of us here are SL Aviators, we want to know that our use and acess to the skies over the Blake sea wont be limted by the USS as long as we dont directly interfere with thier activities below
[8:14] Blondin Linden: Its a public space
[8:14] Blondin Linden: You should be free to to fly
[8:14] Blondin Linden: I would ask that you keep in mind that the area is geared up for sailing
[8:14] Blondin Linden: It makes sense to be mindful of that
[8:14] LauraAnne Sheridan: well we cant hardly fly over mainland anymore
[8:14] Blondin Linden: But you should feel free to use the area
[8:14] LauraAnne Sheridan nods
[8:15] LauraAnne Sheridan: yes ty
[8:15] Quirky Torok: as long as its not too low
[8:15] JimEd Nicholls: exactly laura… grid performance prevents us from flying over mainland
[8:15] Blondin Linden: Jim had a follow up
[8:15] Blondin Linden: [8:05] JimEd Nicholls: Im a sailor and an aviator. How does the aviation community fit into this and will we have any representation?
[8:15] Blondin Linden: Its a public area and its also a partnership area
[8:15] Blondin Linden: We can have that convo if the aviators need some type of representation
[8:16] Blondin Linden: We don’t know who is involved with that – IE, who runs, how it works
[8:16] Blondin Linden: But we’re open to it
[8:16] JimEd Nicholls: blake sea is one of the FEW areas where one can actually fly
[8:17] JimEd Nicholls: there are a t least 4 of us here
[8:17] jetplane1123 Hanly: 5
[8:17] jetplane1123 Hanly: hehe
[8:17] Chad Sawson: due to low lag?
[8:17] CallieDel Boa: I enjoy watching sailing from my Airship
[8:17] JimEd Nicholls: no, grid performance jack
[8:17] Orca Flotta: 6
[8:17] JimEd Nicholls: yes
[8:17] LauraAnne Sheridan: exactly
[8:17] Surfwidow Beaumont: no ban zones either :)
[8:17] Orca Flotta: and no banlines
[8:17] Surfwidow Beaumont: yup snap!*
[8:17] LauraAnne Sheridan: and you can actualy go somewhere
[8:17] Chad Sawson: i think the sailing and flying communities can certianly work things out also
[8:17] Jack Linden: jack@lindenlab.com
[8:17] LauraAnne Sheridan: I agree Chad
[8:18] JimEd Nicholls: got it thank you
[8:18] Blondin Linden: [8:06] Surfwidow Beaumont: Hi Blondin nice to meet you :) – I am wondering what safeguards there are to prevent cronyism from becoming established as this sort of arrangement can become quite cliquey very quickly and result in a two tier situation whereby one voice is stronger than the others and they can basically railroad others into complying with then else they are outcasts – it would be nice if this has some sort of public committee maybe on a monthly basis held here where people can participate as it changes and is seen to be flexible and fair
[8:18] CallieDel Boa: I agree
[8:18] Blondin Linden: We deal with this all the time
[8:19] Blondin Linden: Everytime we reach out to a person, or a group, we accused of favortism
[8:19] CallieDel Boa: Understood
[8:19] Blondin Linden: We need to be careful to avoid the area being exclusive
[8:19] Blondin Linden: We’ve tried to make it inclusive to all and we’ve asked that the USS do this by posting events in the public spaces
[8:19] Chad Sawson: we already have a good working relationship with the Nautilus folks btw
[[Jack makes a comment about trying to sail to a LEARN TO SAIL CLASS and could not even make it to the event he was such a bad sailor]]
[8:19] MarkTwain White: hehe
[8:19] Surfwidow Beaumont: :)
[8:19] LauraAnne Sheridan: lol
[8:19] CallieDel Boa giggles
[8:19] Liv Leigh: need lessons ? ;)
[8:20] Ceorl Onlyone: we still need ballast Jack :)
[8:20] BennyThe Boozehound: Free lessons every Sunday Jack
[8:20] Jean Swashbuckler: nods and agrees with Chad
[8:20] Blondin Linden: We’re not aware of anything that is being too cliquey
[8:20] Chad Sawson: ha ha ha you go Benny
[8:20] Blondin Linden: spelling
[8:20] Blondin Linden: :)
[8:20] Liv Leigh: and thursday or tuesdays.. lots of training opportunities :P
[8:20] Blondin Linden: But let us know if it is
[8:20] Liv Leigh: haha
[8:21] Liv Leigh: you need a private coach then
[8:21] Blondin Linden: [8:09] Aleks Piers: Ahoy, I have a problem with the term “sailBOAT” in the right of way passage. – It is a bit unclear to those who sail pirate ships being bigger sluggisher and way less capable to stay out of a sailboat’s way. – Of course the priority of racing flottilas isn’t questioned…
[8:21] Chad Sawson: ill send you an invite Jack…. :-)
[8:21] Chad Sawson: tonage rights? lol
[8:21] Blondin Linden: Interesting question. Maybe you can give me YOUR perspective
[8:21] Sidney Sheldon sighs
[8:22] Blondin Linden: All vehicles all welcome to come into Blake Sea and enjoy it, its predominatly meant for sailboats
[8:22] Surfwidow Beaumont: agreed
[8:22] Orca Flotta: pirate ships arev sailboats and have to comply to the rules, easy as that
[8:22] Blondin Linden: It makes since that sailboats get the right of way
[8:22] Surfwidow Beaumont: power gives way to sail :) P
[8:22] Chad Sawson: agreed Orca
[8:22] Sho Kyong: Pirate ships sail in the wind
[8:22] Ceorl Onlyone: least manuverable gets right of way in RL™
[8:22] JimEd Nicholls: im a RL boater… sails have right aweay in RL
[8:22] Surfwidow Beaumont: yeah oil tankers :)
[8:22] jetplane1123 Hanly: yes Jim
[8:22] Chad Sawson: I think the issue arrises primarily during racing events also
[8:22] Orca Flotta: trucks have to follow the rules of road traffic as well as sports cars, same on the water
[8:23] Aleks Piers: I just thought one should replace the term boat with sailing vessle since well both are sailing – no idea how tonnage is dealt with IRL
[8:23] Blondin Linden: sailing vessel?
[8:23] Surfwidow Beaumont: to cover ships?
[8:23] Aleks Piers: Aye
[8:23] Blondin Linden: instead of sailboat?
[8:23] Blondin Linden: How do you feel about the small change in wording?
[8:23] XiuLan Quan: bravo
[8:23] JimEd Nicholls: sailing vessel is a bit exclusionary
[8:23] Sho Kyong: aye
[8:23] Chad Sawson: I think it makes sense
[8:23] Borday Moo: use the rl rules
[8:23] Nber Medici: not sure what the difference is really
[8:23] XiuLan Quan: change it
[8:23] LauraAnne Sheridan: some sailing vessels are wind driven in SL….others…you drive like a car
[8:23] Surfwidow Beaumont: there are some larger boats that could be classified as ships now
[8:23] Orca Flotta: oh my :)
[8:24] MarkTwain White: means the same thing
[8:24] Sidney Sheldon: aleks, it isnt. in RL right of way is easy enough: commercial vessel has right of way over sailboat, sailboat has right of way over private motor vessel
[8:24] Liv Leigh: i dont mind. sailboat is easier i think for non-native english speakers
[8:24] Blondin Linden: Any reason why we shouldnt change it to sailing vessel
[8:24] Blondin Linden: ?
[8:24] CallieDel Boa: I agree with Liv
[8:24] Tig Spijkers: then you have sailing vessels with motors ;-)
[8:24] LauraAnne Sheridan: some boats dont actualy “sail” at all
[8:24] Liv Leigh: 50% of the sailors comes from asia now..
[8:24] Blondin Linden: 1/2 the residents in SL are international we need it to be as understandable as possible
[8:24] Surfwidow Beaumont: water craft?
[8:24] Sidney Sheldon: god, are we sopposed to edit other peoples boats now to see what kind of scripts are in it?
[8:24] Sho Kyong: sailing ship?
[8:24] Surfwidow Beaumont: is probably the most inclusive term
[8:25] Oma Larnia: Hope not, that stops them dead if you edit them.
[8:25] Sidney Sheldon: exactly.
[8:25] Scurvy Ragu: editing boats should not be done
[8:25] Orca Flotta: then they are not sailing boats, Laura, and must be seen as motorboats
[8:25] MarkTwain White: sailboat is probably the least likely to suffer from language barriers
[8:25] Sidney Sheldon: how about “if it looks like a sailboat, it is one”?
[8:25] Chad Sawson: wind powered floating thingy
[8:25] Talulah Munro: it’s basically saying that everyone should show some common courtesy, and I would think that that woudl be no matter what kind of boat it is
[8:25] LauraAnne Sheridan: agreed…yet they show sails
[8:25] Talulah Munro: would*
[8:25] Keira Linden: lol
[8:25] Fanci Beebe: lol.
[8:25] Blondin Linden: [8:09] Greythistle Twine: if Blake Sea is for ALL sailors, what is the mechanism whereby ALL sailors can organise events in the Blake Sea and will this be documented?
[8:25] Blondin Linden: The Uss has their methods in place
[8:26] Aleks Piers: Sorry for opening that can of worms – blushes
[8:26] Scurvy Ragu: editing a boat is a bannable offense in many places cause it stops a ship cold in the water
[8:26] Blondin Linden: Calendaring and scheduling is sopmething we can spend 2 hours on
[8:26] Blondin Linden: from our point of view, what we care most about, is that if someone is using the Blake Sea, that its listed SOMEWHERE publicly
[8:26] MarkTwain White: actually, jack, the SL Sailing Calendar covers all sailing groups in all areas of SL sailing, its not the USS calendear
[8:26] Blondin Linden: THe public events listing calendar is a good place to do it
[8:26] CallieDel Boa: Scurvy unfortunately it happens so fast some are unable to find who “edits” them in time to file an AR
[8:27] Tasha Kostolany: no it deosn’t mark — it deosn’t cover ALL grops
[8:27] Scurvy Ragu: true
[8:27] Blondin Linden: Having a single calendar would be perfect
[8:27] Sidney Sheldon: where is that public events listing calendar?
[8:27] Sidney Sheldon: is that search-]]events? well hidden between all the yard sales?
[8:27] MarkTwain White: true, at least one group does not particpate in the SL sailing calendar
[8:27] Chad Sawson: slsailing.com Sidney
[8:27] Liv Leigh: it doesnt make it lear yet for outsiders though where exactly the events takes place often. it can still surprise people who ”get in the way” of an event
[8:27] Surfwidow Beaumont: its a shame that all the YC couldnt subscribe and have posting rights to an OFFICIAL blake sea calendar hosted by LL
[8:27] Nber Medici: both slsailng.com and org
[8:28] Blondin Linden: [8:12] Liv Leigh: many of our sailing events use blake sea only as part of our course. races for instance extend from here into the nautilus area or beyond. what is trhe relevance of the code of conduct for events tthat use blake sea and both nautilus area for instance in one event?
[8:28] Surfwidow Beaumont: perhaps as an extension to the SL Forums
[8:28] Sidney Sheldon: what about all the people who normally dont care about us sailors? they need a place to see that we’re here chasing fizzes at some time, too
[8:28] Liv Leigh: i mean not exclusively.. error in formulating
[8:28] Blondin Linden: The CoC is specific for the Blake Sea area
[8:28] Blondin Linden: if you head West, the Coc is not intended to cover that, its meant for Blake Sea
[8:28] Sidney Sheldon: hmm so where ends the blake sea area? lot of races extend into other waterways…
[8:28] LauraAnne Sheridan: i think….the fear really is when you give control to a private group….it soon becomes not very public
[8:29] Blondin Linden: Outside of that, the regions are fine to do waht they want under the normal Tos And CS
[8:29] JimEd Nicholls: exactly laura
[8:29] Tasha Kostolany: exactly Lara
[8:29] Orca Flotta: zactly
[8:29] Blondin Linden: Lauraanee, thats a valid concern
[8:29] Tweedlife Dezno: Gude luck with this y’all.
[8:29] Blondin Linden: we dont wish that to happen
[8:29] Sidney Sheldon: so if i sail west, as soon as i’m too close to nautilus island, the CoC is worth nothing?
[8:29] Blondin Linden: The USS do not seem keen on being exclusive
[8:29] LauraAnne Sheridan: fair enough
[8:29] Blondin Linden: And we need to work together to keep it from happening
[8:30] Tasha Kostolany: (caugh caugh)
[8:30] Nber Medici: [8:29] Blondin Linden: THe USS do not seem keen on being exclusive
[8:30] Blondin Linden: Coc is meant for the Blake Sea
[8:30] Blackbird Latte: how does That effect social gaming and griefing people off of the sea?
[8:30] Blondin Linden: TOS and CS is still applicable
[8:30] CallieDel Boa: Thank you BlackBird!
[8:30] Blondin Linden: SO people are still not allowed to abuse you in anyway
[8:30] LauraAnne Sheridan: lol
[8:30] jetplane1123 Hanly: i’ve had that before
[8:30] jetplane1123 Hanly: loll
[8:30] Blackbird Latte: If they harass individuals or grief them while racing they are not enjoying the sea
[8:31] Blondin Linden: [8:25] CallieDel Boa: Edit brings up another question, when racing people when editing other’s boats stops them dead in the water during races
[8:31] Oma Larnia nods.
[8:31] Blondin Linden: The right click stop is a problem
[8:31] Blondin Linden: MTW and Nber can correct us
[8:31] Sidney Sheldon: yea, but… within the blake sea area its defined miuch more clearly what counts as abuse, if i’m on a sailboat
[8:31] MarkTwain White: sorry
[8:31] MarkTwain White: it does happen enough’
[8:31] Scurvy Ragu: why cant LL fix that?
[8:31] Blondin Linden: Its been rare if the races have been seriously obstructed b/c of this
[8:31] Blondin Linden: we have been talking in the lab about the issue
[8:31] MarkTwain White: to need to be dealt with
[8:31] Sidney Sheldon: 10 meters further west, a sim that is not named “blake sea – soandso”, and its not as clear anymore
[8:31] Blondin Linden: If theres a technical fix
[8:32] Blondin Linden: Wether it makes sense for it to be able to the land owner or to group memebers
[8:32] Quirky Torok: damn thats a good idea
[8:32] Blackbird Latte: There is not a technical fix but there is a disciplinary fix
[8:32] Blondin Linden: That way, people here could use it for abuse issues
[8:32] Blondin Linden: But there are many use cases for people to use Right click
[8:33] Blondin Linden: very few ARs from Blake Sea
[8:33] MarkTwain White: liv is proably right on the numbers, but that does not mean it has not happened at critical times
[8:33] Chad Sawson: In most cases that has happened to newbies that dont know about the racing
[8:33] Blondin Linden: It is one of the most quiet parts
[8:33] Surfwidow Beaumont: O:D wwe are all so ggood ;)
[8:33] Liv Leigh: true mark, and it does annoy people tremendously
[8:33] Sidney Sheldon: the easiest way to stop dumb people from right clicking is an invisible prim
[8:33] Blondin Linden: [8:15] Tomm Kira: the question regarding what has to be done to become a person with additional powers over the blake sea was not answered…
[8:33] Blondin Linden: Sorry if we missed something
[8:34] Blackbird Latte: Blondin has Linden labs attempted to trace how many actual real life users have populated Blake sea compared to false population produced using alts?
[8:34] Sidney Sheldon: _not_ worn on a sailors bum… just put invisiprim fences around spectators platforms
[8:34] Orca Flotta: powers should only be give to people who don’t want them!!!
[8:34] Blondin Linden: Do you mean the abiity to eject and freeze? That is linked to certain roles for Blake Sea
[8:34] LauraAnne Sheridan: so who does one talk to to join that group?
[8:34] Blondin Linden: The USS
[8:34] Tomm Kira: and who controls the USS on this?
[8:35] Blondin Linden: What do you mean
[8:35] Dil Spitz: there need to be transparency
[8:35] Tomm Kira: i liked the idea of a monthly meeting regarding adjustments or eventually also regarding who is in that group
[8:35] Tomm Kira: *meeting
[8:35] JimEd Nicholls: so. basically the USS is the 800 gorilla in this?
[8:35] Surfwidow Beaumont: yes i suggested this to Blondin it is in IM i think
[8:35] MarkTwain White: a bit of history might be helpful….
[8:35] MarkTwain White: when the Blake Sea launched….
[8:36] Blondin Linden: Tom and JIm, it sounds like your concered about how the USS and LL are working together in this area
[8:36] JimEd Nicholls: im a student of human natue and have a jaundiced eye
[8:36] Sidney Sheldon puts on his flame-resitant underwear
[8:36] Blondin Linden: This colabartion was brand new
[8:36] Blondin Linden: we’ve learned a great deal from it
[8:36] Blondin Linden: You can see how much the USS have put into it and how invest they are in making sailing a sucess
[8:36] Blondin Linden: and thats been appeciated by LL
[8:37] Blondin Linden: A part of that partnership is shared expectations
[8:37] Blondin Linden: we expect them to keep it open and fair
[8:37] Blondin Linden: and how to get people involved
[8:37] Blondin Linden: and I’ve not heard from everyone saying that its been impossible for them
[8:37] Blondin Linden: But we do want it to be inclusive
[8:38] Blondin Linden: but we can’t deal with 20 different groups in this area
[8:38] Blondin Linden: THe 2nd Doc will talk about how to apply for a partnership
[8:38] jetplane1123 Hanly nods
[8:38] Blondin Linden: like the aviators for example
[8:38] Orca Flotta: Blondin, you’re hired as secretary :)
[8:38] Blondin Linden: and we are very open to that
[8:38] LauraAnne Sheridan: is it based on number of members…or how many open space sim we pay tier on?
[8:38] JimEd Nicholls: we will be in communication with you on the aviation issue
[8:38] Tomm Kira: ok, i will wait for the 2nd Doc.
[8:38] Orca Flotta: what a fast little typist he is
[8:39] Blondin Linden: We hear your concerns but we havent seen any evidence of it
[8:39] Tig Spijkers: the USS has 5 airports, correct me if I am wrong Mark
[8:39] MarkTwain White: at least tig
[8:39] jetplane1123 Hanly: a bit more
[8:39] Blondin Linden: There will be an element of size to it
[8:39] LauraAnne Sheridan: certainly
[8:39] Blondin Linden: We can’t accomdate everyone :(
[8:39] MarkTwain White: would LOVE an avaition community area
[8:39] jetplane1123 Hanly: thank you Mark
[8:39] Blondin Linden: It will need to be an active, large community
[8:39] Blondin Linden: Explains how they benefit the mailand
[8:39] Surfwidow Beaumont: Surfwidow Beaumont: you have seen today the amount of people here all coming together to meet about this issue almost all of these people would be outside of the private meetings wouldnt it be a good idea to have some sort of committee thats public and held here once a month to address concerns
[8:39] CallieDel Boa: Yes mark huge!
[8:39] JimEd Nicholls: seperate but equal mark? that dog won’t hunt
[8:39] Blondin Linden: and we would get into a conversation with them
[8:40] Sidney Sheldon: seriously… the biggest problems that i have noticed around here are people leaving parts of boats behind when they crash on a sim border.
[8:40] Blondin Linden: some groups may not want that – may want different things than the USS needed for the sailing community
[8:40] Sidney Sheldon: or other vehicles, for that matter
[8:40] Blackbird Latte: Sidney the only way to deal with that is the out of control use of alts for griefing and social gaming
[8:40] Clay Ellison: yes
[8:40] Surfwidow Beaumont: :) ))
[8:40] OUTLAW Acker: great idea
[8:40] Liv Leigh: it is often near impossible to find crashed boats back sidney. they get many sims away from the crash spot often
[8:40] Blondin Linden: We havent had plans to impose a media stream
[8:40] CallieDel Boa: There are plenty of media devices you can mod your boats with
[8:41] Surfwidow Beaumont: sea chanty FM
[8:41] Liv Leigh: and most of them are dealt with by autoreturns
[8:41] Clay Ellison: ok thank you
[8:41] Blondin Linden: We’re not adverse to the idea if someone wants to propose a stream that everyone can agree on
[8:41] Blondin Linden: But not sure how we’d do that
[8:41] Quirky Torok: ar martini in the morning on the blake sea. perfect
[8:41] Blondin Linden: [8:34] Ceorl Onlyone: Blondin, is there any chance of allowing rezzing everywhere in Blake Sea with autoreturn turned on? Having to find and go to a rezz spot is very unnatural and inconvenient.
[8:41] Nber Medici: wooooot QT
[8:41] MarkTwain White: haha Quirky
[8:41] Surfwidow Beaumont: good idea
[8:42] Blondin Linden: What do you all think about that, rezzing everywhere in Blake Sea?
[8:42] LauraAnne Sheridan: yes definatly
[8:42] Sidney Sheldon: what he said!
[8:42] MarkTwain White: i like that idea
[8:42] Blondin Linden: It changes things
[8:42] Athena Ellison: good idea
[8:42] Tasha Kostolany: I like it
[8:42] Chad Sawson: I think it would help sailors who crash for sure!
[8:42] Rabby Hawker: Problem is you have sailors in different time periods so a special channel will not stisfy all I’d figure
[8:42] Orca Flotta: :)
[8:42] Nber Medici: but would have to be a short autoreturn
[8:42] Yawara Texan: I vote aye…
[8:42] CallieDel Boa: :)
[8:42] Orca Flotta: was a joke, more a jazz fan now
[8:42] Martina Lewsey: would solve a lot probs, good idea
[8:42] Kirby Jameson: excellent idea
[8:42] Chad Sawson: during races for example
[8:42] JimEd Nicholls: short auto return would work
[8:42] Sidney Sheldon: nothing wrong with 5 minutes autoreturn
[8:42] LauraAnne Sheridan: we get knocked out of the sky by as sim cross….we have no where to rez and get going again….same with boats
[8:42] Fanci Beebe: Rez with a 3 to 5 minute auto return.. enough time to get in
[8:42] Sidney Sheldon: and rezzing anywhere
[8:43] LauraAnne Sheridan: short auto return would be WONDERFUL
[8:43] Chad Sawson: agreed Fanci
[[Jack asked for a vote. How many think rezzing throughout the Blake Sea is a good idea]]
[8:43] Slado Bellic: aye!
[8:43] Greythistle Twine: yes
[8:43] Chad Sawson: yes
[8:43] BennyThe Boozehound: YES
[8:43] LauraAnne Sheridan: yes
[8:43] Sharptongue Chronisch: me
[8:43] Quirky Torok: yes!!
[8:43] Clay Ellison: yes yes!!!
[8:43] Surfwidow Beaumont: yes
[8:43] CallieDel Boa: Yes
[8:43] Athena Ellison: yes
[8:43] Yawara Texan: Yes
[8:43] Ceorl Onlyone: YES!!
[8:43] Scurvy Ragu: YES
[8:43] GaiaGirl Pearl: good thing!!
[8:43] Joawny Trebuchet: yes!
[8:43] Talulah Munro: yes
[8:43] jetplane1123 Hanly raises hand
[8:43] JimEd Nicholls: YES
[8:43] Jane Fossett shouts: YES
[8:43] Rich Randall: yes
[8:43] Gemma Vuckovic: YESSSSSSSSS
[8:43] Sudane Erato: yes
[8:43] MarkTwain White: YES
[8:43] Fanci Beebe: with time limit.. yes
[8:43] Martina Lewsey: yes
[8:43] Aleks Piers: awesome
[8:43] Rabby Hawker: Yes
[8:43] Tig Spijkers: aye
[8:43] Orca Flotta: indifferent
[8:43] Surfwidow Beaumont: YESSSS!!!
[8:43] WillOW Gynoid: yes
[8:43] Astro Marksman: yes
[8:43] Clay Ellison: lol
[8:43] Athena Ellison: ha!
[8:43] Sigrun Lyle: aye
[8:43] jetplane1123 Hanly: Loll
[8:43] Nber Medici: LOL
[8:43] Quirky Torok: yess!!
[8:43] Chakku451 Rieko: I’m in favor, wth a 3 to 5 minute autoreturn
[8:43] Aleks Piers: yes
[8:43] Isis Rexie: unanimous
[8:43] Scurvy Ragu: ?¯`•:. WhaHaHaHa Arr! .:•´¯?
[8:43] Borday Moo: it will turn into a sandbox
[8:43] Orca Flotta: ? ? ? ha ha ha ? ? ?
[8:43] JimEd Nicholls: pilots and sailors agree on that
[8:43] Sharptongue Chronisch: yes..short autoreturn to avoid wrecks^^
[8:43] Tasha Kostolany: (if grifing or noobies become a problem as a sandbox you could asjut it later)
[8:43] Keira Linden: Absolutely. :)
[8:44] MarkTwain White: short autoreturn is good, no sandboxes
[8:44] Surfwidow Beaumont: be generous with the retuurn time though
[8:44] Surfwidow Beaumont: ;) P
[8:44] Blondin Linden: [8:34] Tasha Kostolany: So if we are seeing abuses in how the Blake Sea is being run by the private group , who do we address that to with Linden Labs?
[8:44] Surfwidow Beaumont: ;)
[8:44] LauraAnne Sheridan: even a small zone in the center of EACH sim
[8:44] BennyThe Boozehound: Not with 3 min auto Borday
[8:44] Liv Leigh: not too short an autoreturn, thwt causes other issues
[8:44] Sidney Sheldon: autoreturn 1 minute should work as well
[8:44] Gemma Vuckovic: no rezzing infront of start-lines
[8:44] Blondin Linden: You can AR
[8:44] Blondin Linden: Or DIrect to Jack, Blondin or Keira
[8:44] Sidney Sheldon: if you dont get on your boat in a minute you have too much lag for proper sailing anyways ;)
[8:44] Blondin Linden: A private group is not running the space, but the USS is working with us on how it evolves and grows, but the space is Linden land
[8:45] Sharptongue Chronisch: but what about leaving ship to explore some isle??..a chance for a group tack for all residents or club sailors to avoid rezzing one’s ship all the time??
[8:45] Scurvy Ragu: Will blakes sea expand to other areas?
[8:45] Tasha Kostolany: yes thank you!!!
[8:45] jetplane1123 Hanly: perfect
[8:46] Chad Sawson: nautilus could us a bit more water! :-)
[8:46] Clay Ellison: that would be awsome
[8:46] JimEd Nicholls: i agree with that jack!!!
[8:46] Blondin Linden: Will the blake Sea Expand? Perhaps, If you look at how the BS exisits, with Nautiuls in the middle, there is a space over there where it can expand
[8:46] Sidney Sheldon: how about a waterway between korsika and sansara
[8:46] Kirby Jameson: without windsetters, being able to rez is not very useful
[8:46] Blondin Linden: BS can expand to the SOuth
[8:46] jetplane1123 Hanly: yes
[8:46] LauraAnne Sheridan: can seas be made deeper? there are submariners out there too
[8:46] jetplane1123 Hanly: South would be great!
[8:46] Orca Flotta: yep
[8:46] Blondin Linden: [8:22] Athena Ellison: Hi ! I have a question about an official event schedule .. right now the only reliable schedule is on SL Sailing .com
[8:47] Orca Flotta: well, reliable :/
[8:47] Surfwidow Beaumont: drop some more water sims off Boogdolt ;) P hehehe
[8:47] jetplane1123 Hanly: [8:46] LauraAnne Sheridan: can seas be made deeper? there are submariners out there too
[8:47] Blondin Linden: Linden is here to help support, but we dont want to tell how how to manage your community. You know whats best. But we’ll do what we can to support.
[8:47] jetplane1123 Hanly: Deeper waters would be good
[8:47] Chad Sawson: I will host a discussion between groups to iron out scheduling resourses if folks are interested
[8:47] Isis Rexie: Hell … even J-Class skips wuld like deeper seas :-)
[8:48] Jane Fossett: yes chad
[8:48] Blondin Linden: We jsut care about the events being public
[8:48] LauraAnne Sheridan: yes gets very shallow in places
[8:48] Surfwidow Beaumont: yes the terraforming is very shallow in places
[8:48] JimEd Nicholls: exactly Isis!
[8:48] Athena Ellison: yes ..
[8:48] jetplane1123 Hanly: agree with laura on deeper Sea’s
[8:48] Surfwidow Beaumont: allow for keep depth
[8:48] JimEd Nicholls: its a problem for j class boats
[8:48] Surfwidow Beaumont: keel
[8:48] Nber Medici: keel for some boats
[8:48] Blondin Linden: Why would you need deeper seas?
[8:48] BennyThe Boozehound: heh gets that way in the real world too
[8:48] Orca Flotta: and yachts with deep keels
[8:48] Nber Medici: and for subs
[8:48] JimEd Nicholls: many sail boats have deep keels
[8:48] Blondin Linden: What is a J Class boat?
[8:48] Chad Sawson: they are classic vessels
[8:48] Jane Fossett: I’ve discussed the issue with Michael and MTW
[8:48] Ceorl Onlyone: and mermaids
[8:48] Greythistle Twine: bigger boat deeper keel
[8:48] Blackbird Latte: Deeper is better the blake sea being lake depth has effected multiple user groups
[8:48] Sidney Sheldon: someone get the guy a tradewind or open 70
[8:48] Surfwidow Beaumont: i almost run aground off ISHLON
[8:48] Isis Rexie: submarines and J-Class hit bottom fast :-)
[8:48] Kirby Jameson: some shallow areas are good .. just like rl sailing .. if not careful, you run aground
[8:48] Tig Spijkers: omg, Jack doesn’t know what a J-Class is
[8:48] Jane Fossett: the boatsd need minimum of 4 m
[8:48] Chad Sawson: lol
[8:48] Clay Ellison: ?
[[Jack suggested that he wanted to see more shallow areas and shoals, so sailors had to learn where they are and avoid them like in RL]]
[8:49] Nber Medici: hehehe yes Jack !
[8:49] Quirky Torok: i have to agree with jack
[8:49] Blondin Linden: :)
[8:49] Tomm Kira: indeed jack, they are there in RL too lol
[8:49] Surfwidow Beaumont: it rights off lareg areas of water
[8:49] CallieDel Boa: :)
[8:49] MarkTwain White: Jack is evil
[8:49] Chad Sawson: woot! a new challenge
[8:49] Surfwidow Beaumont: writes*
[8:49] Nber Medici: I would love sand banks
[8:49] Jane Fossett: Michael will fix the trouble points.
[8:49] Rabby Hawker: you shoudl give us the opporunity to lay islands and homestedas around the blake sea to get the corners out under condition we keep thise simes open for the whole sl community tit will give us more room toi sail and fly
[8:49] jetplane1123 Hanly: all of the sea’s are shallow :P
[8:49] LauraAnne Sheridan: there are some wondfersubmarines in SL…but very hard to use in 5 meters of water
[8:49] Liv Leigh: not just in places, whereas the seas west of BS are 20m deep often, blake sea hovers around 10m.. which makes it hard for submarines or some sailing ships as well in many spots
[8:49] Chad Sawson: scuba areas too!
[8:49] jetplane1123 Hanly: have those already
[8:49] JimEd Nicholls: many areas ar eless than 4 m deep
[8:49] Surfwidow Beaumont: yes there is no shortage of land ;)
[8:50] Surfwidow Beaumont: or air
[8:50] Surfwidow Beaumont: but there is a shortage of deep seas
[8:50] BennyThe Boozehound: personally I like that it is the way it is, requires some skill to avoid navigational hazzards…altho they could be marked better I think
[8:50] Blondin Linden: 10 Minute Heads Up
[8:50] Rabby Hawker: yes but with sailing ships you get stuck( out of the wind) :( ((
[8:50] Rabby Hawker: tty
[8:50] Blondin Linden: 8:28] Jane Fossett: “Thank you very much for your help placing Fastnet Light at the center of Blake. It meant a good deal to many sailors here. Do you see that as a single event, or do you envision more cooperation between DPW, Blake, and independent builders?
[8:51] Blondin Linden: If it makes sense and your keen on it, then we can talk about it. But the DPW is only a few people
[8:51] Orca Flotta: let’s have rocks and lighthouses in every BS sim :)
[8:51] Liv Leigh: shh orca!
[8:51] Blondin Linden: THe amount of their time we can have them spend, we need to be careful
[8:51] jetplane1123 Hanly: loll
[8:51] Surfwidow Beaumont: Giant Crab LOL
[8:51] Borday Moo: yes roving sea monsters
[8:51] Fanci Beebe: loll
[8:51] Jane Fossett: DPW has been great. Thank you.
[8:51] Tig Spijkers: someone explain to Jack that crabs do not eat ships
[8:51] jetplane1123 Hanly: Loll
[8:51] Chakku451 Rieko: Kraken…we need a Kraken
[8:51] Keira Linden: heheheh
[8:52] Clay Ellison: what is DPW?
[8:52] GaiaGirl Pearl: Thar be monsters!!
[8:52] jetplane1123 Hanly: Giant Crabs might :P
[8:52] Chad Sawson: lol
[8:52] Clay Ellison: YAY! (yay!)
[8:52] Keira Linden: Department of Public Works = DPW
[8:52] Blondin Linden: Department od Public WOrks
[8:52] LauraAnne Sheridan: Jack…we need to get you out from behind the desk and out flying and sailing with us…then youd see better what we need ?
[8:52] Blondin Linden: [8:36] Blackbird Latte: Blondin has Linden labs attempted to trace how many actual real life users have populated Blake sea compared to false population produced using alts? While everything may seem normal on the surface there has been too much social griefing preventing an honest racing platform which would attract more users.
[8:52] Surfwidow Beaumont: i think Doctor Who already did that one ;)
[8:52] Sidney Sheldon: what about proper buoys instead of deeper waters
[8:52] Blondin Linden: We are aware of traffic scores
[8:52] Blondin Linden: WE have that data
[8:52] Blondin Linden: BS varies over times as you would expect
[8:53] Blondin Linden: Jack sees it when its quiet, hes from the UK
[8:53] Sidney Sheldon: what exactly is social griefing supposed to be?
[8:53] Blondin Linden: ;)
[8:53] Gemma Vuckovic: come along a 4pm today, big boats Jack, busy busy
[8:53] Blondin Linden: But yes, we know how busy it is
[8:53] Blondin Linden: [8:41] Jean Swashbuckler: is there an opportunity to expand the CoC from the Blake Sea to the water sims around Nautilus City if the NC people are interested?
[8:54] Jean Swashbuckler: ty, we can bring it up with the Nautilus City Alliance which also works with the USS and the Bay City alliance
[8:55] Blondin Linden: If the Naut Residents thought it was important enough to treat their waters different, then we can have that convo.
[8:55] Jean Swashbuckler: :) on consensus
[8:55] Blondin Linden: Its difficult to get a concensus
[8:55] Blondin Linden: WEd need a CLEAR majority
[8:55] jetplane1123 Hanly: For aviators, we fly everywhere, and some of the difficult area’s to fly to are up North
[8:56] Sidney Sheldon: exactly
[8:56] cool joint whispers: blessed love
[8:56] Blondin Linden: [8:49] Aislin Keynes: Blondin, the relationship between LL and USS has been in place and in practice for many months, have there been any abuse reports from people feeling that they have been unfairly treated by those with authority in the Blake Sea?
[8:56] Blondin Linden: We dont generally talk about AR specifics
[8:56] Orca Flotta has problems with authorities period
[8:56] Quirky Torok: tc liv
[8:56] Liv Leigh: tc
[8:56] Isis Rexie whispers: bye Liv
[8:56] Blondin Linden: we’ve had almost no [[negative]] communications from people [[about those with authority in the Blake Sea]]
[8:57] Aislin Keynes: not looking for specifics, just does it appear to be a general problem?
[8:57] MarkTwain White: nber makes me work to hard AR
[8:57] Blondin Linden: its been very quiet
[8:57] Chad Sawson: Woot, USS ROCKS!
[8:57] LauraAnne Sheridan: one reason is cause were all doing what we like to do
[8:57] Nber Medici: LOL Mark
[8:57] Rabby Hawker: we just navigate past the [problem area's lol
[8:57] Blackbird Latte: Blondin you would have more if LL posted directly contacts for AR reports for general blake sea users other than key role players
[8:57] Chad Sawson: absolutely!
[8:57] Clay Ellison: yes all the time
[8:57] LauraAnne Sheridan: daily
[8:57] Athena Ellison: yes
[8:57] Ceorl Onlyone: HEAR HEAR!!!!!
[8:57] Slado Bellic: aye thats usually the rum thou mate
[8:58] Chakku451 Rieko: Daily
[8:58] Fanci Beebe: LOL… yes.. all the time
[8:58] JimEd Nicholls: yes. i do jack
[8:58] Glorfindel Arrow: heheh yeah
[8:58] Jane Fossett: smile
[8:58] Blondin Linden: how amazing is this?!
[8:58] Nber Medici: ?
[8:58] Clay Ellison: its an amazing thing
[8:58] Chad Sawson: if only in RL!
[8:58] LauraAnne Sheridan: but then I crash :P
[8:58] CallieDel Boa: I think that’s awesome, always have.
[8:58] Yawara Texan: me grins like an idiot
[8:58] Clay Ellison: and yes hard to expslain to coworkers
[8:58] Chad Sawson: we would all live in bliss
[8:58] GaiaGirl Pearl: I don’t have a ‘pinch’ animation
[8:58] Gemma Vuckovic: I sail with my friends, with disisme as well
[8:58] Orca Flotta: yeah, we’re nothing but a bunch of nutters
[8:58] Surfwidow Beaumont: it should happen more often ;) P
[8:58] Blondin Linden: We often take SL for granted and how it works
[8:58] Clay Ellison: absolutly
[8:58] Rabby Hawker: It is geat you do this meeting Jack thank you veryu much
[8:58] jetplane1123 Hanly: adding more water North of USS would be good for both sailors/aviators
[8:58] Ceorl Onlyone: you would almost think we were all real or something
[8:58] Chakku451 Rieko: My girlfriend and I specifically rent space in an estate just for access to the Blake Sea environs
[8:58] Isis Rexie: Thank you Jack!
[8:59] Chad Sawson: and we appreciate LL’s support Jack.. Im sure all agree
[8:59] CallieDel Boa: Yes thank you Blondin & Jack.
[8:59] Surfwidow Beaumont: Blake Sea Parliment
[8:59] Isis Rexie: Thanks for Typing Blondin … I lost voice a while back
[8:59] Athena Ellison: Thanks Jack
[8:59] LauraAnne Sheridan: ty Jack
[[Jack indicates that the hour is up but that he will stay and chat for those who want to continue. Blondin has to leave. Many thank you's follow.]]
[[Several minutes of general chit-chat not related to the theme follow but no one transcribes Jacks comments.]]
[[Jack makes reference to the YouTube videos on SL sailing that have been shown throughout LL and to business partners]]

[9:04] Surfwidow Beaumont: is there any chance of hosting these meertings again from time to time it is very democratic :) and a lot is done very quickly
[9:04] Nber Medici: Kudos to Surf and Mark for making the vids !
[9:04] Clay Ellison: woot woot

[[Jack said he was open to regular townhall meetings with the SL sailing community]]

[9:06] MarkTwain White: outstandinig Jack
[9:06] Surfwidow Beaumont: even every 2 months
[9:06] Surfwidow Beaumont: it is very fair this
[9:06] MarkTwain White: <– gets out the calendar

[[Much of what follows are the text side of the post meeting discussion but without Jack's voice transcribed and thus very fragmented. Later Surfwidow Beaumount takes up the job of transcribing]]

[9:06] JimEd Nicholls: sim crossings are always an issue
[9:06] jetplane1123 Hanly: yes
[9:06] Sharptongue Chronisch: or due to neccessity-and anounce it..
[9:07] Isis Rexie: wishes blondin were still here to type
[9:07] Surfwidow Beaumont: can amyone trype fast
[9:07] Surfwidow Beaumont: they can relay what Jack says
[9:07] Isis Rexie: I can’t reset voice :-(
[9:08] Sharptongue Chronisch: without the community you won’t exist, Jack!!
[9:08] MarkTwain White: who is a fst and accorate typer?
[9:08] jetplane1123 Hanly: hehe
[9:08] Surfwidow Beaumont: Jack says just keep talking to us
[9:08] Quirky Torok: thank you
[9:08] Dahlia Jayaram: I am on a sailing adventure, sailing (or trying to) the full SL world that is interconnected by water and have some question about expanding open waterways around choke points where properties meet the off-grid seas. Is LL open to exploring options and opportunities to find ways to open waterways around owned properties?
[9:08] Isis Rexie: Tell him I scream to him every time I face plant in the mud on a sim crossing! :-)
[9:08] MarkTwain White: yes Dahlia is doing a good thing
[9:09] jetplane1123 Hanly: sim crossings are difficult
[9:09] Surfwidow Beaumont: jack says we do get people who suggest routes and where we can improve things we never expected sailing would be as successfull as it has been
[9:09] Keira Linden: Sorry, but I need to run off. Have a great day, everyone!
[9:09] Nber Medici: bye Keira
[9:09] JimEd Nicholls: t/y kiera
[9:09] MarkTwain White: thanks Keira
[9:09] MarkTwain White: bye
[9:09] Gemma Vuckovic: byeeeeeeee Kiera
[9:09] Nber Medici: thanks SO much
[9:09] Orca Flotta: bye Keira, thx
[9:09] Anu Daviau: c u Keira
[9:09] Chakku451 Rieko: Take care Keira
[9:09] LauraAnne Sheridan: are the grid monkeys aware how vitaly important smooth sim crosses are to both sailing and flying? and what can we residents do to help make them better?
[9:09] Sharptongue Chronisch: bye
[9:09] Surfwidow Beaumont: jack says as many people own their land its very hard for us to take their land to add more water
[9:09] JimEd Nicholls: what about sim crossings jack?
[9:10] jetplane1123 Hanly: sim crossings ys
[9:10] jetplane1123 Hanly: *yes
[9:10] Rabby Hawker: we would like to sai around continents
[9:10] Borday Moo: couls wind in SL be made consisten from server to server , a comprihensive wind plan ?
[9:10] Clay Ellison: they have gotten much better in my opinion
[9:10] Anu Daviau: they suck
[9:10] Sidney Sheldon: jack, it wasnt that hard to move a lot of people from land they own to zindra
[9:10] Dahlia Jayaram: Good. I’m chronicaling the choke points and passing a petition around for people who would like to express an interest in the open waterways.
[9:10] jetplane1123 Hanly: sim crossings for us aviators and sailors
[9:10] JimEd Nicholls: its chancy every time you cross a sim
[9:10] Dahlia Jayaram: Thanks Jack.
[9:10] GaiaGirl Pearl: rounding the Cape is easier than some sim crossings – the ship falls apart or gets stuck
[9:10] Sharptongue Chronisch: lool..yes…SIM CROSSINGS is bad, jetplanet^^
[9:10] jetplane1123 Hanly: are difficult to cross now days
[9:10] MarkTwain White: jack, can you comment on Tickets from the Blake sea and priority
[9:10] JimEd Nicholls: sometimes you run a 50% of crashing
[9:10] Rabby Hawker: it happens ofen thast you loose a ship there
[9:11] jetplane1123 Hanly: theres a 50/50 chance of crashing when sim crossing
[9:11] Anu Daviau: we need faster handshakes
[9:11] Surfwidow Beaumont: jack says we moved content we did not move people
[9:11] Sharptongue Chronisch: why not trying new servers on USS ?? hehe
[9:11] Surfwidow Beaumont: jack says we simply cannot change their parcelling especially if they have been there for years but sometimes resident are keen to alter land with us
[9:12] Surfwidow Beaumont: jack says sim crossings are difficult – we have to take all your assets and stuff you are sitting on and transfer it across to another server
[9:12] MarkTwain White: jack, can you comment on Tickets from the Blake sea and priority
[9:13] Sharptongue Chronisch: we even use 1 ARC sailing outfits..even WOMEN..but it’s still difficult
[9:13] Rabby Hawker: slowing down helps crossing a sim border
[9:13] jetplane1123 Hanly: and what you wear
[9:13] Martina Lewsey: I will send a ship to Jack so he can test the sim crossing issue
[9:13] Surfwidow Beaumont: Jack says – sim crossings are a difficult technical issue and it will get better and better and smoother over time :)
[9:13] GaiaGirl Pearl: technically it might be partly solved if adjoining sims were on the same server – which I know they’re not
[9:13] Sidney Sheldon: jack, how come sim borders got worse at about the same time that LLnet went live?
[9:13] Nber Medici: We have asked to be co located here
[9:13] LauraAnne Sheridan: open space sims share a server do they not?
[9:13] JimEd Nicholls: happy to take you sailing or flying jack so you can witness the prob 1st hand
[9:13] OUTLAW Acker: with an ARC under 500….. 85 m/s crossings are possible now
[9:14] Chad Sawson: colocated = servers at the same physical location
[9:14] Nber Medici: [9:12] MarkTwain White: jack, can you comment on Tickets from the Blake sea and priority
[9:14] Bea Woodget: Have to go….Thank you Jack, tc all. CU later
[9:14] Surfwidow Beaumont: Jack says – we do have a road map on how we want to evlove technically – one of the things is how do we make a sever handle larger spaces than they currently do – what servers do we need for that? these are changes we are making slowly over the next year or so/two
[9:14] Tomm Kira: i don’t think the sim crossings were meant to be discussed on this meeting, but i would like to see the answer on MarkTwain White’s question
[9:14] JimEd Nicholls: i usually dont even bother sailing or flying on weekends because of sim crossing problems
[9:15] Sharptongue Chronisch: nods, Jim
[9:15] Nber Medici: not AR’s , but tickets
[9:15] Surfwidow Beaumont: Jack Says – the concierge team are geared up to you guys they are not as good as we would like but you have priority all year around even during holidays
[9:15] Nber Medici: can you address that
[9:16] Tomm Kira: whats the difference of the blake sea and a “normal” linden area or any other private sim to give it priority?
[9:16] Surfwidow Beaumont: Jack says – those folks within the community blake does get priority
[9:16] Nber Medici: ty
[9:17] Tomm Kira: ok, that was what i wanted to hear :) thanx.
[9:17] Surfwidow Beaumont: /jack says events are easy to disrupt and blake is at risk but we are aware trouble can happen in these popular areas inc Linden Sandboxes etc
[9:17] Isis Rexie whispers: Thank you Surfwidow … I’ve recovered voice by crashing :-)
[9:18] Ceorl Onlyone: One concern about plans I have heard about unmanned vehicles. I would like to suggest that we not add unmanned vehicles, such as ferries to Blake Sea, as they are a hazard to navigation, don’t give way, and don’t show up on the minimap/radar
[9:18] Clay Ellison: its a real treat
[9:18] Orca Flotta: still here
[9:18] LauraAnne Sheridan: good thing about the blake sea is most of us are always sitting down if there is a griefer
[9:18] Isis Rexie: We care Jack … Thank you for being here
[9:18] MarkTwain White: thanks for taking up the text broadcast Surf
[9:18] Surfwidow Beaumont: does anyone else need typed words?
[[9:18] GaiaGirl Pearl: you’re talking about our passion
[9:18] Sidney Sheldon: ceorl, a unmanned ferry would classify as “commercial vessel” in my eyes… those have ROW over sailboats in RL
[9:18] Clay Ellison: lol
[9:18] BennyThe Boozehound: heh
[9:19] Nber Medici: LOL
[9:19] Clay Ellison: blaine the train
[9:19] Sharptongue Chronisch: it gives you SENSE^^, hehe
[9:19] Ceorl Onlyone: ROW is based on least manuverable, not commercial value, and most unmanned vehicles seem empty to me
[9:20] MarkTwain White: yes
[9:20] Ceorl Onlyone: so what happens if an unmanned ferry is bearing down on a regatta?
[9:20] Dahlia Jayaram: I noticed the Inter Island Blimp service. I was facinated by it, but noticed that it only flies one leg of the few that it says it does. Is there more to come for the blimp service?
[9:20] Nber Medici: Correct Jack
[9:20] Clay Ellison: that would be Awsome
[9:21] Isis Rexie: (Hard to avoid our racing routes for the J-Classic :-)
[9:21] Quirky Torok: can i just take a moment to thank MTW. and to the USS. if it wasnt for him there would be no place like this… no blake sea.. and we would be a very different smaller place to sail… ok.. brown nosing over.
[9:21] Isis Rexie: hear Hear!!!
[9:21] Dil Spitz: the CoC need some adjustments i think. So i suggest to collect the commenties ( http://slsailing.com/blake-sea-code-of-conduct-pre-publication ) and make this doc to a living-CoC-doc?
[9:21] MarkTwain White: aww sucks
[9:21] Clay Ellison: ???????? Applauds! ????????
[9:21] LauraAnne Sheridan: and hes a sharp dresser too
[9:21] Nber Medici: sucks?
[9:21] Ceorl Onlyone: YAY MTW!!!!
[9:21] Rabby Hawker: so we can battle without disturbing civillian sailors
[9:22] Astro Marksman: Freudian slip
[9:22] MarkTwain White: sorry, aww shucks
[9:22] Nber Medici: hehe probably so Astro
[9:22] Tomm Kira: you forgot to thank lindenlab lol.i just feel they need a thanx for it too.
[9:22] MarkTwain White: thanks Jack, your 20L is in the mail
[9:22] Chad Sawson: ha ha ha Mark
[9:22] Clay Ellison: lol
[9:22] Nber Medici: Jack… take a look at Dil’s comment
[9:22] LauraAnne Sheridan: the aviation community doesnt need a lot of land…we need….air….so we dont organize the way the sailors do
[9:22] Nber Medici: up above
[9:22] Sharptongue Chronisch: ahh..learned a new correct english expression..freudian slip^^
[9:23] LauraAnne Sheridan: land…is for….well landing
[9:23] jetplane1123 Hanly: Jack, how about bringing up an aviation community?
[9:23] MarkTwain White: I have fed Blondin all URLS related
[9:23] Sharptongue Chronisch: god work, Mark
[9:23] Orca Flotta: Jetplane, communities are made by people not by the lab
[9:24] Sharptongue Chronisch: +o
[9:24] Nber Medici: Thanks for coming Jack ?
[9:24] Jack Linden: thanks surfwidow!
[9:24] Gemma Vuckovic: ty Jack, good meeting. GTG now
[9:24] LauraAnne Sheridan: perhaps the USS can incorporate the flyers of SL somehow
[9:24] MarkTwain White: hehe Sharp
[9:24] Tasha Kostolany: (the uss just has to stop censoring people and I think we’ll be good)
[9:24] jetplane1123 Hanly: Thank you Jack
[9:24] JimEd Nicholls: thank you for listening jack
[9:24] Chad Sawson: Thank you for your time and insight Jack! :-)
[9:24] Glorfindel Arrow: thanks Jack
[9:24] Clay Ellison: yes
[9:24] Quirky Torok: absolutly
[9:24] Gemma Vuckovic: great ty
[9:24] Joawny Trebuchet: YES!
[9:24] Sharptongue Chronisch: yes..thx alot Lack
[9:24] Nber Medici: YES !
[9:24] Clay Ellison: Thank you! :)
[9:24] BennyThe Boozehound: VERY
[9:24] Rich Randall: yes
[9:24] Dahlia Jayaram: …OHH…YEAH !!!
[9:24] Becca Moulliez: ty all but i need to run RL now
[9:24] Chad Sawson: It was great!
[9:24] Ceorl Onlyone: excellent meeting!

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May 14 2009

Blake Sea Log #1 — How Blake Sea Got Its Name

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In the not too distant future we hope to have a dedication ceremony in the Blake Sea to honor it and its namesake, Sir Peter Blake, the New Zealand yachtsman who led his country to two successive America’s Cup victories. So this is as good a time as any to launch the Blake Sea Log. Among other things, the BSL will tell the story of the formation of the Blake Sea in Second Life.

But first, a bit more about Peter Blake. He previously won the Whitbread Round the World Race in 1989, and the Jules Verne Trophy in 1994 by setting the fastest time around the world of 74 days 22 hours 17 minutes 22 seconds on catamaran Enza. Blake was appointed a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire in 1995 for services to yachting. He was killed by pirates in Brazil in December 2001 during an environmental exploration trip in South America.

Yes we are aware that Blake Sea’s initials are BS and that the BS Log might bring up some negative connotation among certain mind sets in SL. However the very mind set that would make that connection strangely enough was also involved in the naming of the Blake Sea in a way.

We will dip deeper into the origins of the Blake Sea Project in a later post, but for the first entry in the Black Sea Log, we want to tell you how the Blake Sea got its name.

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At an informal first meeting between Jack Linden, Nber Medici, and myself, Jack proposed a joint venture between Linden Lab and the United Sailing Sims. In that meeting Jack presented us with a proposed rough map of how what we now know as the Blake Sea might look. It showed a blocky map with Nautilus on the west and the United Sailing Sims on the east. Between the two was a 36 sim block called “Cornelius Bay”. The map illustrated isn’t that map, it’s just a bit block art to represent Jack’s map that I can no longer find.

The “Cornelius Bay?” we asked. “Yes” said Jack. “Since the Nautilus sims were named after the fictional submarine Nautilus we thought we would name the project ‘The Cornelius Bay’ after Cornelius Jacobszoon Drebbel who in 1620 built the first reliably documented submarine”.

The name and the explanation actually made my brain hurt as I thought on how this name might be received in the sailing community. However there were bigger issues on the table at that meeting than what the project name would be, so I held my peace.

But over the next 24 hours Nber and I thought long and hard about anything that might be done to make sure that the project ended up with a name more suited to sailing. Every day that the Cornelius Bay Project had that name we were afraid that it would become settled in Jack mind and the other minds at Linden Lab.

Less than 24 hours later Nber and I drafted and sent Jack an email indicating that we didn’t think Cornelius Bay would be a good name. First off, we said, The 36 sims of water was much larger than what SL sailors would think of as a “Bay”. Bays in the SL sailing experiences tended to be thought of as within in a single sim, something that can be crossed fairly quickly. Crossing 36 sims was much more in keeping with crossing a Sea or an Ocean.

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Secondly, we suggested that a much more appropriate person to name the body of water after would be a sailor that was well known and beloved by the large community of sailors. We suggested Joshua Slocum, the first man to sail single-handedly around the world and the author of one of the holiest books in the sailing canon: “Sailing Alone Around the World”, as perfect sailor to honor. So we suggested Slocum Sea as the name of the project.

Jack took that suggested name back to the assembled Linden Lab Cornelius Bay team. A couple of days later Jack told us Slocum Sea wouldn’t work because it didn’t pass the 14 year old boy test. “The 14 year old boy test?” we asked. Apparently one of the naming guidelines at Linden Lab is to avoid any name that a typical 14 year old boy might make an obscene joke of.

As I mulled the typical 14 year old’s reaction to the name Slocum it occurred to me that, at least in theory, there were no 14 year olds on the main grid. I decided making that argument would be pointless and certainly not accurate. So Slocum Sea was out.

Feeling that the longer Cornelius Bay name survived the harder it would be to change it, we quickly tried to think of another nautical figure that would be renowned and beloved world wide or at least nearly so. That’s when we hit on Peter Blake and the Blake Sea. Jack immediately warmed up to it and so did the team back at Linden Lab.

And that boys and girls is how the Blake Sea name came to be.

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